I'm writing an article with a friend who is a graduate and long-time supporter of the U of M. He's closer to the Tigers football program than I am (Vols fan here) but I want to get the opinions of as many Tiger football fans as possible.

I've read many of the posts on the board and the general consensus I'm seeing is Tommy West, R.C. Johnson and Shirley Raines are to blame for the current state of affairs.

But I want more in-depth historical information about the football program. I'd like to know what you think are the reasons why Memphis can never seem to get their football program squared away.

I've had several articles linked from the Memphis Edge and I'm confident this one will be as well. I'll include a link to this board within the post in an effort to drive traffic.

Feel free to respond here or drop me a line at fjv4usn@gmail.com.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.[/size][/font]

not trying to be mean, but I doubt you'd get much help being a Vols fans wanting to write a disparaging article about the Tigers.

VANUCCI, IF YOU DON'T NAIL THIS, I'M PERSONALLY GONNA PANTS YA...IN PUBLIC.

Also, if you're going to use that title, make damn sure you know where to place the "apathy" label.

(11-03-2009 10:52 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  I'm writing an article with a friend who is a graduate and long-time supporter of the U of M. He's closer to the Tigers football program than I am (Vols fan here) but I want to get the opinions of as many Tiger football fans as possible.

I've read many of the posts on the board and the general consensus I'm seeing is Tommy West, R.C. Johnson and Shirley Raines are to blame for the current state of affairs.

But I want more in-depth historical information about the football program. I'd like to know what you think are the reasons why Memphis can never seem to get their football program squared away.

I've had several articles linked from the Memphis Edge and I'm confident this one will be as well. I'll include a link to this board within the post in an effort to drive traffic.

Feel free to respond here or drop me a line at fjv4usn@gmail.com.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.[/size][/font]

I and others also think there is a curse over this city. One example is April 7th 2008.

Your premise is entirely wrong. It should be Memphis Tigers Football- 30 Years of Being Starved of Funding that Crappy Orange School in Knoxville Sucks Up Like a Bloated Tick on a Helpless Dog.

That is, if you want accuracy.

(11-03-2009 11:04 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  not trying to be mean, but I doubt you'd get much help being a Vols fans wanting to write a disparaging article about the Tigers.

I'm unbiased in my opinion. I want honesty from Memphis fans to help me write this.

(11-03-2009 10:52 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  I'm writing an article with a friend who is a graduate and long-time supporter of the U of M. He's closer to the Tigers football program than I am (Vols fan here) but I want to get the opinions of as many Tiger football fans as possible.

I've read many of the posts on the board and the general consensus I'm seeing is Tommy West, R.C. Johnson and Shirley Raines are to blame for the current state of affairs.

But I want more in-depth historical information about the football program. I'd like to know what you think are the reasons why Memphis can never seem to get their football program squared away.

I've had several articles linked from the Memphis Edge and I'm confident this one will be as well. I'll include a link to this board within the post in an effort to drive traffic.

Feel free to respond here or drop me a line at fjv4usn@gmail.com.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.[/size][/font]

I hope you fail miserably.

(11-03-2009 11:17 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:04 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  not trying to be mean, but I doubt you'd get much help being a Vols fans wanting to write a disparaging article about the Tigers.

I'm unbiased in my opinion. I want honesty from Memphis fans to help me write this.

I just gave it to you. The University of Memphis has been starved of public funding that goes in favor of that crappy overfunded orange school in Knoxville. Indeed, one could make the argument that given the disparity in funding levels it is that crappy orange school that has underachieved throughout its history, not our shoe-string operation.

Tiger Bill is close to the truth. Someone more connected would know more than I, but the way I see it is that some type of deal was cut in the 60s/70s were the university would not pursue football on a high level so that the leaders of the city who supported the SEC would leave the Tiger basketball program alone. This trend has continued through the present day. Of course I could be wrong.

(11-03-2009 11:21 AM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  Tiger Bill is close to the truth. Someone more connected would know more than I, but the way I see it is that some type of deal was cut in the 60s/70s were the university would not pursue football on a high level so that the leaders of the city who supported the SEC would leave the Tiger basketball program alone. This trend has continued through the present day. Of course I could be wrong.

I think it's more pervasive than that. Funding of any part of the school helps all of the other parts. The better your Math Department, the more high-level students you will attract to graduate into higher paying jobs who then may contribute as alumni. It isn't just direct funding of this or that sport.

Maybe a better article would be: University of Tennessee at Knoxville Basketball: 100 Years of Wasted Money.

(11-03-2009 11:17 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:04 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  not trying to be mean, but I doubt you'd get much help being a Vols fans wanting to write a disparaging article about the Tigers.

I'm unbiased in my opinion. I want honesty from Memphis fans to help me write this.

You're getting honesty.
I WILL honestly pants you. Promise.
And, the few who have posted, are being honest.
The BOR has always made sure that we had a President that didn't give a shiii about football. Surely you can take it from there...honestly.
Now, go back to your blog and start writing.
I honestly believe you're going to be extremely critical of the fans and point fingers in an extremely inflammatory fashion to generate hits on your blog.
Oh, yeah, and you were honest about being a Vols football fan.
Tell us who you pull for in BB...inquiring minds want to know.
Also, if you continue to bait this board, I'm all for a mod deleting this thread.
Here's some honesty - I DO NOT TRUST YOU TO GET TO THE TRUTH.

(11-03-2009 11:13 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  Your premise is entirely wrong. It should be Memphis Tigers Football- 30 Years of Being Starved of Funding that Crappy Orange School in Knoxville Sucks Up Like a Bloated Tick on a Helpless Dog.

That is, if you want accuracy.

Show me where UT is getting funds for its football program that should be channeled to the Memphis program. Do you have any proof to back up your claim?

(11-03-2009 11:29 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:13 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  Your premise is entirely wrong. It should be Memphis Tigers Football- 30 Years of Being Starved of Funding that Crappy Orange School in Knoxville Sucks Up Like a Bloated Tick on a Helpless Dog.

That is, if you want accuracy.

Show me where UT is getting funds for its football program that should be channeled to the Memphis program. Do you have any proof to back up your claim?

See what I mean?
He's asking every day fans that question.
If he wanted to get to the truth, he'd do some real sleuthing.
Lazy way to generate hits on your blog. Which, by the way, has had VERY little to do with mainstream sports for quite a while now.
I do enjoy most of the girlie pics, though. You're blog is more of a portal to porn...not that that's a bad thing. But, it is what it is. Honestly.

(11-03-2009 11:29 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:13 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  Your premise is entirely wrong. It should be Memphis Tigers Football- 30 Years of Being Starved of Funding that Crappy Orange School in Knoxville Sucks Up Like a Bloated Tick on a Helpless Dog.

That is, if you want accuracy.

Show me where UT is getting funds for its football program that should be channeled to the Memphis program. Do you have any proof to back up your claim?

Unbelievable. Really, how lazy can you be?

I write non-fiction. I have been paid for writing non-fiction. I know how to research non-fiction. You apparently don't know how to do any of the above so you're asking us to do your work for you.

The apathy is not from the fans or the alumni.

Where is the strategic plan and how have these plans been communicated or not communicated with the friends, fans, and alumni by the laedership. Be careful and report the truth. The OCS debacle is a prime example.

(11-03-2009 11:17 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:04 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  not trying to be mean, but I doubt you'd get much help being a Vols fans wanting to write a disparaging article about the Tigers.

I'm unbiased in my opinion. I want honesty from Memphis fans to help me write this.

(11-03-2009 11:44 AM)bostontiger Wrote:  The apathy is not from the fans or the alumni.

Where is the strategic plan and how have these plans been communicated or not communicated with the friends, fans, and alumni by the laedership. Be careful and report the truth. The OCS debacle is a prime example.

(11-03-2009 11:17 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:04 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  not trying to be mean, but I doubt you'd get much help being a Vols fans wanting to write a disparaging article about the Tigers.

I'm unbiased in my opinion. I want honesty from Memphis fans to help me write this.

(11-03-2009 10:52 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  I'm writing an article with a friend who is a graduate and long-time supporter of the U of M. He's closer to the Tigers football program than I am (Vols fan here) but I want to get the opinions of as many Tiger football fans as possible.

I've read many of the posts on the board and the general consensus I'm seeing is Tommy West, R.C. Johnson and Shirley Raines are to blame for the current state of affairs.

But I want more in-depth historical information about the football program. I'd like to know what you think are the reasons why Memphis can never seem to get their football program squared away.

I've had several articles linked from the Memphis Edge and I'm confident this one will be as well. I'll include a link to this board within the post in an effort to drive traffic.

Feel free to respond here or drop me a line at fjv4usn@gmail.com.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.[/size][/font]

Who are you and who is your UM "friend"?

i agree with bostontiger, i don't believe any of us have wanted this. we all want a competitive program, i don't think we are talking about a national title, but we should be able to compete with the teams we play, and that includes the sec teams we play. the reason the program is in the shambles it is in is from our leaders, not us.

(11-03-2009 11:13 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  Your premise is entirely wrong. It should be Memphis Tigers Football- 30 Years of Being Starved of Funding that Crappy Orange School in Knoxville Sucks Up Like a Bloated Tick on a Helpless Dog.

That is, if you want accuracy.

I wish I had a billion rep points to give you. Maybe I should just send cash.....

Im also doing an article on Eternal Apathy: The Volunteer Basketball Program

I would like some Tennessee fans to help me write this since I know its a well deserving column and there is plenty of information out there.

(11-03-2009 12:05 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:13 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  Your premise is entirely wrong. It should be Memphis Tigers Football- 30 Years of Being Starved of Funding that Crappy Orange School in Knoxville Sucks Up Like a Bloated Tick on a Helpless Dog.

That is, if you want accuracy.

I wish I had a billion rep points to give you. Maybe I should just send cash.....

This one's on me, but thanks.

There is no apathy in the Tennessee basketball program. Tennessee is in the Top four in attendance nationally.

(11-03-2009 12:30 PM)CalvinCoolidge Wrote:  There is no apathy in the Tennessee basketball program. Tennessee is in the Top four in attendance nationally.

I was referring to the results on the floor rather than the delusional supporters in the stands.

(11-03-2009 12:30 PM)CalvinCoolidge Wrote:  There is no apathy in the Tennessee basketball program.

With the results of the last 100 years, there should be.

(11-03-2009 10:52 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  I'm writing an article with a friend who is a graduate and long-time supporter of the U of M. He's closer to the Tigers football program than I am (Vols fan here) but I want to get the opinions of as many Tiger football fans as possible.

I've read many of the posts on the board and the general consensus I'm seeing is Tommy West, R.C. Johnson and Shirley Raines are to blame for the current state of affairs.

But I want more in-depth historical information about the football program. I'd like to know what you think are the reasons why Memphis can never seem to get their football program squared away.

I've had several articles linked from the Memphis Edge and I'm confident this one will be as well. I'll include a link to this board within the post in an effort to drive traffic.

Feel free to respond here or drop me a line at fjv4usn@gmail.com.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.[/size][/font]

Nice try.

But- fail.

And---F off.

Mimi always finds a way to cut right to the chase....

The MAIN reason has been the leadership of Memphis State University/University of Memphis. Most notably the ATHLETIC DIRECTOR position. And, it goes way back before RCJ.

We have had one below average/horrible AD after another for 30 years plus. Thus, we have made MANY bad hires.

Give us a top shelf AD with energy, vision, and knowledge of athletics, that knows how to hire the right people and off we go.

(11-03-2009 11:29 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  Show me where UT is getting funds for its football program that should be channeled to the Memphis program. Do you have any proof to back up your claim?

I don't think that the UT football program is run on very much university money. That program is run off of revenue that the program generates from merchandise, ticket sales, donations, SEC and BCS money. That program is a cash cow.

The claim that UT football is sucking up $$ that should be going to U of M is pure BS, unless you make that claim on the idea that UT does not need ANY money from the state and it should all go to U of M.

Wish U of M had the $$ to buy uniforms and jackets for the staff for use one time on Halloween. UT in black jerseys?!?!?

(11-03-2009 01:21 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:29 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  Show me where UT is getting funds for its football program that should be channeled to the Memphis program. Do you have any proof to back up your claim?

I don't think that the UT football program is run on very much university money. That program is run off of revenue that the program generates from merchandise, ticket sales, donations, SEC and BCS money. That program is a cash cow.

The claim that UT football is sucking up $$ that should be going to U of M is pure BS, unless you make that claim on the idea that UT does not need ANY money from the state and it should all go to U of M.

Wish U of M had the $$ to buy uniforms and jackets for the staff for use one time on Halloween. UT in black jerseys?!?!?

Exactly. The greatest blame lies on oursleves (administration/AD).

(11-03-2009 01:30 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 01:21 PM)mapdude Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:29 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  Show me where UT is getting funds for its football program that should be channeled to the Memphis program. Do you have any proof to back up your claim?

I don't think that the UT football program is run on very much university money. That program is run off of revenue that the program generates from merchandise, ticket sales, donations, SEC and BCS money. That program is a cash cow.

The claim that UT football is sucking up $$ that should be going to U of M is pure BS, unless you make that claim on the idea that UT does not need ANY money from the state and it should all go to U of M.

Wish U of M had the $$ to buy uniforms and jackets for the staff for use one time on Halloween. UT in black jerseys?!?!?

Exactly. The greatest blame lies on oursleves (administration/AD).

Hey, you guys think I'm wrong and want to help this guy, please, be my guest. I'm just one opinion.

3 words: Billy "Spook" Murphy

(11-03-2009 10:52 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  I'm writing an article with a friend who is a graduate and long-time supporter of the U of M. He's closer to the Tigers football program than I am (Vols fan here) but I want to get the opinions of as many Tiger football fans as possible.

I've read many of the posts on the board and the general consensus I'm seeing is Tommy West, R.C. Johnson and Shirley Raines are to blame for the current state of affairs.

But I want more in-depth historical information about the football program. I'd like to know what you think are the reasons why Memphis can never seem to get their football program squared away.

I've had several articles linked from the Memphis Edge and I'm confident this one will be as well. I'll include a link to this board within the post in an effort to drive traffic.

Feel free to respond here or drop me a line at fjv4usn@gmail.com.

Thanks in advance for your assistance.[/size][/font]

Why don't you have your friend and long-time supporter of the U of M come on here and ask the questions, and we MAY talk to HIM.

I would be more interested in knowing why your bb is so undistinguished, with all your resources.

TigerBill is right on point with regards to University funding disparity. Oru and others are right when it comes to Athletic Department incompetence.

However, since budgets, etc. are all approved by the UT-influenced BOR then the latter statement may also wind up being in TigerBill's favor as well. Either way, UT can suck up and bust for all I care.

A Vol fan coming to our board and trolling for information during game week is just another lame attempt to flame. I for one would love to see the "objectivity" with which he'll claim to have when he writes this "story".

What's wrong with the Tiger football program is a combination of unfair outside influence by the BOR, our own administrations' incompetence, and just plain bad outcomes(Rex Dockery death, hiring Cavagnaro, etc.).

The fans are expressing themselves the only way they know how. That's by not going to the games. The admin used this as one of the main excuses to get rid of both Stobart and Finch, though there were other glaring problems as well. Lets see if they have the stones to use the same standard to get rid of West, and by extension, RC.

The only way this program recovers is with a huge infusion of cash followed by a thorough house cleaning.

(11-03-2009 11:17 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:04 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  not trying to be mean, but I doubt you'd get much help being a Vols fans wanting to write a disparaging article about the Tigers.

I'm unbiased in my opinion. I want honesty from Memphis fans to help me write this.

Just by the title alone shows that you are biased. If, in your own mind, you have come up with a conclusion in your title before you have written it, no amount of research(?) is likely to change your already biased conclusion.

(11-03-2009 12:06 PM)homefry20 Wrote:  Im also doing an article on Eternal Apathy: The Volunteer Basketball Program

I would like some Tennessee fans to help me write this since I know its a well deserving column and there is plenty of information out there.

why dont you take the question to Voljerk.com and see how long it lasts..

This thread should be deleted or at least moved to the smack forum

I am just one opinion too, TigerBill. There is truth in both our comments.

I just never liked the "we can't because...." type of argument in ANY aspect of life.

We can be great in football (or anything else). One day, we will!!!

I've got a book you can write...

go kill yourself, troll

(11-03-2009 02:23 PM)oruvoice Wrote:  I am just one opinion too, TigerBill. There is truth in both our comments.

I just never liked the "we can't because...." type of argument in ANY aspect of life.

We can be great in football (or anything else). One day, we will!!!

Fair enough, my friend.

I believe what I might not have made clear is not so much the funding directly for sports, but the overall level of funding, which produces more alumni with better jobs to turn around and donate to the school.

Anyway, I think the most mis-leading thing here is the OP's use of the word 'apathy.' I truly don't see much apathy among Tiger fans. A lot of anger and disappointment, yes, but by definition those who are apathetic cannot be angry or disappointed.

Yes, 'apathy' was/is a very poor choice of words, by the thread starter.

Memphis is HUNGRY for a football winner. Not apathetic.

(11-03-2009 11:21 AM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  Tiger Bill is close to the truth. Someone more connected would know more than I, but the way I see it is that some type of deal was cut in the 60s/70s were the university would not pursue football on a high level so that the leaders of the city who supported the SEC would leave the Tiger basketball program alone. This trend has continued through the present day. Of course I could be wrong.

You have to go all the way back to C.C. Humphreys, R. Eugene Smith and Spook Murphy to see when this argument started. Then Thomas Carpenter tried to kill it (Tiger Football) all by himself.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/a.../index.htm

(11-03-2009 03:04 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:21 AM)Pressed Rat Wrote:  Tiger Bill is close to the truth. Someone more connected would know more than I, but the way I see it is that some type of deal was cut in the 60s/70s were the university would not pursue football on a high level so that the leaders of the city who supported the SEC would leave the Tiger basketball program alone. This trend has continued through the present day. Of course I could be wrong.

You have to go all the way back to C.C. Humphreys, R. Eugene Smith and Spook Murphy to see when this argument started. Then Thomas Carpenter tried to kill it (Tiger Football) all by himself.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/a.../index.htm

thanks for the Link Tony, that almost make me cry

Moon Dog left.
Good.

(11-03-2009 11:17 AM)MoonDogLeft Wrote:  

(11-03-2009 11:04 AM)MemTigerFan Wrote:  not trying to be mean, but I doubt you'd get much help being a Vols fans wanting to write a disparaging article about the Tigers.

I'm unbiased in my opinion. I want honesty from Memphis fans to help me write this.

The man who claims no bias deceives himself.