WAC COMMISSIONER SAYS HIGH PROFILE TEAMS TURNED DOWN BRONCOS
Idaho Statesman, By Chadd Cripe

"WAC Commissioner Karl Benson said Tuesday that several high profile programs have turned down a chance to play a home game against Boise State in 2011."

"Boise State--with the help of ESPN, Benson said--has been shopping for a game to fill out its 2011 schedule."

"Benson wasn't sure of the exact number of schools that had said no, but figured it was close to 10. The Broncos weren't asking for any games in Boise in return, he said."

Well they are playing VT next year in DC.

Bunch of pansy ass whiners and chicken $h!+$!

That's one way to keep the cartel in effect. I love hearing Mark May explain that Oregon should jump Boise in the polls because they have had a tougher schedule. My argument has always been is how do you know Boise wouldn't have beaten the teams Oregon beat if they would have had the opportunity?

In Marshall's "glory year" of 1999 we beat Clemson at Clemson 13-10, went 13-0 beating #25 BYU in a bowl. FSU won the national championship with a 12-0 record and beat Clemson at Clemson by a score of 17-14. It was our only common opponent. There is no doubt FSU played a much harder schedule but we outscored our opponents that year 463-137 and didn't give up a TD in 6 of the 13 games. We were top 5 in the nation in both offense and defense (scoring and yards) and had 13 guys go to the NFL off that roster.

Could we have run the table with FSU's schedule? I seriously doubt it, but I think we still would have run the table with a significantly harder schedule, we just would have had more close games. Same with Boise now, maybe they couldn't run the table with Oregon's schedule, but then again maybe they could and they certainly did whip Oregon's butt (now two years in a row).

They will never let two non-bcs AQ schools get bids in the same year. If TCU wins out they will take the spot and Boise will be SOL for the second year in a row.

(11-06-2009 02:11 AM)banker Wrote:  They will never let two non-bcs AQ schools get bids in the same year. If TCU wins out they will take the spot and Boise will be SOL for the second year in a row.

If the #2 non-AQ school was BYU, I could see two non-AQ's playing in BCS games in the same season.

To be fair, it's not the Cartel's fault Boise is just now trying to lock down an opponent for 2011. These schedules are locked in place years in advance.

(11-06-2009 02:11 AM)banker Wrote:  That's one way to keep the cartel in effect. I love hearing Mark May explain that Oregon should jump Boise in the polls because they have had a tougher schedule. My argument has always been is how do you know Boise wouldn't have beaten the teams Oregon beat if they would have had the opportunity?

And that's the basis for a lot of college football talking heads, columnists, internet pundits, etc.; Factoids that everyone just assumes is true, mostly with the security that no one will (or can, reasonably) ask for the damn proof. It's just made up sheeyat playing on the biases of sports fans, with a few stats to 'back it up'.

So much of that stuff is speculative filler in a similar fashion of the non-stop 'news coverage' on cable. Sports Soup would have never been cleared or greenlit on ESPN, in the same way The Daily Show could only work on Comedy Central.

There is too much money involved for all of this to fair.

(11-06-2009 08:54 AM)Caltex2 Wrote:  To be fair, it's not the Cartel's fault Boise is just now trying to lock down an opponent for 2011. These schedules are locked in place years in advance.

Eh, some of them are. Plenty of games get decided 18-24 months out. A few even less time than that.

And anyway, if Boise wanted the game for 2012 - '13 or '14, do you think the Cartel-types would suddenly find some open dates available?

Bottom line here is they are afraid they'll get beat and they don't want to take the chance. (VPI is an honorable exception). It is a perfectly rational position to take from their standpoint, but it is also additional evidence of how the Cartel is always stacking the deck in its favor.

the BcS schools could always drop a div II game didn't one school actually have 2 div II schools on the schedule this year or last?

How much is Boise asking for that game? Im sure its over a $1 mill

(11-06-2009 05:31 PM)rcmfuzzy Wrote:  the BcS schools could always drop a div II game didn't one school actually have 2 div II schools on the schedule this year or last?

No Div I-FBS school plays a DII program because DII games do not count towards bowl eligibility in any way whatsoever.

yes they do. one game per season against a bowlsub-series team (divII) or whatever they're called can and does count.

(11-06-2009 05:38 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 05:31 PM)rcmfuzzy Wrote:  the BcS schools could always drop a div II game didn't one school actually have 2 div II schools on the schedule this year or last?

No Div I-FBS school plays a DII program because DII games do not count towards bowl eligibility in any way whatsoever.

Unless you're Duke and you still have such liberal guilt over the lacrosse incident that you schedule NC Central this year before they have completed their transition to FCS. Duke's game with NC Central this weekend is positively meaningless; it does not count towards bowl eligibility for Duke.

(11-06-2009 05:40 PM)rcmfuzzy Wrote:  yes they do. one game per season against a bowlsub-series team (divII) or whatever they're called can and does count.

No, you have DII confused with DI-FCS.

Appalachian State is a DI-FCS team.

Valdosta State is a DII team.


There is a big difference in between the two.

(11-06-2009 05:41 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 05:38 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 05:31 PM)rcmfuzzy Wrote:  the BcS schools could always drop a div II game didn't one school actually have 2 div II schools on the schedule this year or last?

No Div I-FBS school plays a DII program because DII games do not count towards bowl eligibility in any way whatsoever.

Unless you're Duke and you still have such liberal guilt over the lacrosse incident that you schedule NC Central this year before they have completed their transition to FCS. Duke's game with NC Central this weekend is positively meaningless; it does not count towards bowl eligibility for Duke.

NC Central is a provisional Div I member this year, not a DII program.

(11-06-2009 05:40 PM)rcmfuzzy Wrote:  yes they do. one game per season against a bowlsub-series team (divII) or whatever they're called can and does count.

(sigh)

NCAA FOOTBALL

Division I, two sub-divisions: FBS (formerly 1A, plays in postseason bowls) and FCS (formerly I-AA, has postseason playoffs)

Division II (can play FCS teams, NEVER plays FBS teams)

Division III

(11-06-2009 07:10 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 05:41 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 05:38 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 05:31 PM)rcmfuzzy Wrote:  the BcS schools could always drop a div II game didn't one school actually have 2 div II schools on the schedule this year or last?

No Div I-FBS school plays a DII program because DII games do not count towards bowl eligibility in any way whatsoever.

Unless you're Duke and you still have such liberal guilt over the lacrosse incident that you schedule NC Central this year before they have completed their transition to FCS. Duke's game with NC Central this weekend is positively meaningless; it does not count towards bowl eligibility for Duke.

NC Central is a provisional Div I member this year, not a DII program.

Key word being provisional; they might as well be a DII program, because they do not count as an FCS win for Duke.

Watching the Boise State, La Tech game....Boise is waaayyyy overrated.

(11-05-2009 08:46 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  WAC COMMISSIONER SAYS HIGH PROFILE TEAMS TURNED DOWN BRONCOS
Idaho Statesman, By Chadd Cripe

"WAC Commissioner Karl Benson said Tuesday that several high profile programs have turned down a chance to play a home game against Boise State in 2011."

"Boise State--with the help of ESPN, Benson said--has been shopping for a game to fill out its 2011 schedule."

"Benson wasn't sure of the exact number of schools that had said no, but figured it was close to 10. The Broncos weren't asking for any games in Boise in return, he said."

Attention UAB athletic director Brian Mackin: Shoot BSU a proposal.

I'm confident CBS-CS or ESPN2 would televise a Birmingham or Boise game.

(11-06-2009 02:11 AM)banker Wrote:  They will never let two non-bcs AQ schools get bids in the same year. If TCU wins out they will take the spot and Boise will be SOL for the second year in a row.

I wouldn't be so sure. If you look at the top 10-12 teams in the BCS, and remember that only 2 teams per league get through, it could happen this year.

Figure this is a guarantee:
2 SEC (out of UF, LSU, Bama)
2 Big 10 (out of Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State)
1 Big East
1 Pac-10
1 ACC
1 Big 12.

Once you get through those, you still have two spots available. Boise State has to pray Notre Dame gets beat once, preferably twice, but otherwise a bowl will have to take a two loss (at best) team from the Big 12 or Pac 10, and I'm not sure they'd make that move right now. They certainly could, but if ND gets out of the way, I think we actually could have two non-AQ teams in.

(11-06-2009 05:41 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Unless you're Duke and you still have such liberal guilt over the lacrosse incident that you schedule NC Central this year before they have completed their transition to FCS.

It's a sad commentary on Duke that, just on the face of it, "liberal guilt over the lacrosse incident" may, indeed, be the exact reason why that game was scheduled. And how perfect that Duke would consider NCC to be the aggrieved party in that scandal.

But I just figured it was Duke's way of trying to find a team they could beat. (Never dreaming they would start 5-3 this year).

(11-06-2009 11:22 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Watching the Boise State, La Tech game....Boise is waaayyyy overrated.

Nah... Tech's just badass!

(11-06-2009 11:33 PM)lowercase Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 02:11 AM)banker Wrote:  They will never let two non-bcs AQ schools get bids in the same year. If TCU wins out they will take the spot and Boise will be SOL for the second year in a row.

I wouldn't be so sure. If you look at the top 10-12 teams in the BCS, and remember that only 2 teams per league get through, it could happen this year.

Figure this is a guarantee:
2 SEC (out of UF, LSU, Bama)
2 Big 10 (out of Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State)
1 Big East
1 Pac-10
1 ACC
1 Big 12.

Once you get through those, you still have two spots available. Boise State has to pray Notre Dame gets beat once, preferably twice, but otherwise a bowl will have to take a two loss (at best) team from the Big 12 or Pac 10, and I'm not sure they'd make that move right now. They certainly could, but if ND gets out of the way, I think we actually could have two non-AQ teams in.

They would take a two loss USC before they would take an undefeated Boise, I guarantee it. Hell, they would take a two loss WVU over Boise. They will not chose a second non AQ school.

(11-06-2009 11:54 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 11:22 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Watching the Boise State, La Tech game....Boise is waaayyyy overrated.

Nah... Tech's just badass!

Didn't y'all lose to Idaho, or am I thinking of another team?

(11-07-2009 03:44 AM)canewton Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 11:54 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 11:22 PM)KnightTower Wrote:  Watching the Boise State, La Tech game....Boise is waaayyyy overrated.

Nah... Tech's just badass!

Didn't y'all lose to Idaho, or am I thinking of another team?

Yes, but Idaho is 7-2. They scored a TD with :50 seconds left to beat us by 1 (we missed an Extra Point earlier). I think you are thinking about Utah State.... terrible loss...

(11-06-2009 03:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 08:54 AM)Caltex2 Wrote:  To be fair, it's not the Cartel's fault Boise is just now trying to lock down an opponent for 2011. These schedules are locked in place years in advance.

Eh, some of them are. Plenty of games get decided 18-24 months out. A few even less time than that.

And anyway, if Boise wanted the game for 2012 - '13 or '14, do you think the Cartel-types would suddenly find some open dates available?

Bottom line here is they are afraid they'll get beat and they don't want to take the chance. (VPI is an honorable exception). It is a perfectly rational position to take from their standpoint, but it is also additional evidence of how the Cartel is always stacking the deck in its favor.

Or it could be as simple as Boise State is asking for to much money. They're getting 1.1 million dollars from Virginia Tech. If that is their asking price, good luck, because schools can get teams for half that price. If ESPN made it a "Made-for-TV" game and pumped in money, then Boise would get an opponent. And I expect that to happen anyway, Boise vs a top shelf BCS school in a Made-for-TV deal.

I wonder if Boise asked Georgia if they wanted to play again.

"Boise is 44-4 over the past four seasons, including 4-1 against major conference opponents."


0-1 vs ECU. Suck it

(11-07-2009 08:48 AM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 03:59 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(11-06-2009 08:54 AM)Caltex2 Wrote:  To be fair, it's not the Cartel's fault Boise is just now trying to lock down an opponent for 2011. These schedules are locked in place years in advance.

Eh, some of them are. Plenty of games get decided 18-24 months out. A few even less time than that.

And anyway, if Boise wanted the game for 2012 - '13 or '14, do you think the Cartel-types would suddenly find some open dates available?

Bottom line here is they are afraid they'll get beat and they don't want to take the chance. (VPI is an honorable exception). It is a perfectly rational position to take from their standpoint, but it is also additional evidence of how the Cartel is always stacking the deck in its favor.

Or it could be as simple as Boise State is asking for to much money. They're getting 1.1 million dollars from Virginia Tech. If that is their asking price, good luck, because schools can get teams for half that price. If ESPN made it a "Made-for-TV" game and pumped in money, then Boise would get an opponent. And I expect that to happen anyway, Boise vs a top shelf BCS school in a Made-for-TV deal.

They're getting 1.1 but the game is being played at FedX field. VT will make a killing. Marshall is getting $900,000 to play at Ohio State next year.

The price of buy games is going up. Cincinnati needs to figure that out or they will be having a lot of 6 home game seasons. That's a big concern for the big east. In years where you only have 3 conference home games you have a scheduling nightmare and with Cincy's small stadium you can't afford to buy games.